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Anonymous (ei varmistettu)
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Cyber Cafe/Cyber Club/Gaming Place

Hey everybody!

I am originally born in Kazakhstan and have been living here in Finland for around 5 years now. There is one thing which is surprising me again and again: why aren't here any cyber gaming cafes/clubs/places? (if there are, tell me where). In Sweden, for instance, there are plenty of them even in small cities. Probably, it's cause Sweden has got Dreamhack and so on, or simply having got different gaming culture and habits, but still. Even though, everybody has got PC and consoles with Internet connection, I would be glad to go out, meet new people with common interests and play on expensive PCs without buying them.

Anyway, guys, what do you think about gaming places in Finland?

viktorzhak (ei varmistettu)
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No ideas? or it's cause the topic is in English...?

That might be because Finland has never had a social café culture per se (probably due to Finnish shyness), and we also have cheap and fast internet connections, so no one has really needed places like those. LAN-parties do happen, mostly around schools.

Assembly and especially Assembly Winter are very big computer festivals and the Winter one focuses on gaming, but it's true that esports scene in Finland has been way behind Sweden for example. Maybe now that it's really gaining popularity here we could start seeing esport arenas/gaming cafes here too, but that remains to be seen.

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Lainaus käyttäjältä Miika Huttunen+

That might be because Finland has never had a social café culture per se (probably due to Finnish shyness), and we also have cheap and fast internet connections, so no one has really needed places like those. LAN-parties do happen, mostly around schools.

Assembly and especially Assembly Winter are very big computer festivals and the Winter one focuses on gaming, but it's true that esports scene in Finland has been way behind Sweden for example. Maybe now that it's really gaining popularity here we could start seeing esport arenas/gaming cafes here too, but that remains to be seen.

Good point, that's what I am thinking about. Even though nowadays even more people have their own gaming computers it seems to be so that e-sport by itself is getting bigger and bigger and it might be a good time to have a great gaming community in Finland as well. To host competitions and so one, like in Starladder and Dreamhack.

What is this madness? An English topic in our forums?! Aaanyways, like Miika said, we're so antisocial that we usually prefer dark basements where we can cry alone, over populated cafés. Although about 15 years ago I used to go to the library and we would install games on the PC's and play, usually the Quake 3 Arena demo, if I remember correctly...also Unreal Tournament! Good times. Then a year or two after that I used to go to a game store called Micronia, and there were several PC's that you could play games on, we even had a Jedi Knight 2 tournament, it was brilliant. For some reason it died off...maybe it has something to do with the monetization? As in, people won't buy enough stuff, just play games. I don't know how the cafés work in Sweden...

Sure there are some places where you can play games, but really none of those that I personally know emphasize in gaming.

viktorzhak (ei varmistettu)
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What is this madness? An English topic in our forums?! Aaanyways, like Miika said, we're so antisocial that we usually prefer dark basements where we can cry alone, over populated cafés. Although about 15 years ago I used to go to the library and we would install games on the PC's and play, usually the Quake 3 Arena demo, if I remember correctly...also Unreal Tournament! Good times. Then a year or two after that I used to go to a game store called Micronia, and there were several PC's that you could play games on, we even had a Jedi Knight 2 tournament, it was brilliant. For some reason it died off...maybe it has something to do with the monetization? As in, people won't buy enough stuff, just play games. I don't know how the cafés work in Sweden...

Sure there are some places where you can play games, but really none of those that I personally know emphasize in gaming.

Lol! No madness, everybody is cool! I partially agree with Miika, I still believe that Finns are very outgoing people, and this shyness thing is very cliche like. As for gaming places in Sweden, they work same way as anywhere: pay and play, with perks for club members and so forth. There are many of them and they are quite big, like 40+ pc's. As you said, there is no any place with a clear emphasis on gaming, maybe that's why no gamers chilling there, cause they don't feel comfortable there that's why prefer sitting at home over going out? What about streamers on Twitch? Are there plenty of them, I never checked finnish speaking broadcasters?

Lainaus

Lol! No madness, everybody is cool! I partially agree with Miika, I still believe that Finns are very outgoing people, and this shyness thing is very cliche like.

Yeah, that is true. The "myth" itself has been greatly exaggerated and the “typical” Finnish shyness only applies to a certain demographic. Depends on the place you live in, people you spend time with, and so on and so on…

Mind you, we are not as outgoing as our neighbours in the West.

About the cafes and such,

The reason there are no (or very few…) “niche” cafes etc. in Finland is simple. It is impossible to make a place like that profitable. Thanks to taxes and regulations, trying to start a place like that is absolutely terrible. When and if, you manage to get the place up and running, then you need a lot of cash flow to make it profitable. So cutting down on your customer base is not smart.

Oh, and the economy doesn’t really help either, but the main reason is the fact that in order to make a living on a café (etc.) in Finland you need to serve every possible customer. Selecting a niche group like video game fans would be insane.

Nice idea nonetheless. It’s just easier to do certain things in Sweden, but it’s normal that they are a head of “Lillebror”.

viktorzhak (ei varmistettu)
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Nice idea nonetheless. It’s just easier to do certain things in Sweden, but it’s normal that they are a head of “Lillebror”.

Well... Nothing is easy at any business activity, and cash flows do always matter. As for "impossible and terrible" part - a bit too much, but yeah, it depends on branding, positioning and pricing policy. For instance, let's imagine that there would be place like that here, how much would you pay for one hour of playing(without membership)? I have friend from Sweden, running this kind of business there. The prices are quite low and it's mainly resulted by high competition in this sector. Still, they manage to survive, compete, and even make profits!!! As for the taxes - quite similar to Finnish, and it also depends on the organizational structure cause if you run it as a sole-proprietorship you avoid double taxation with 10% VAT for an entertainment product (same principle as for bowling, billiard, and so on). And true - very expensive business to start from scratch...

There was a cyber café named Level 5, but It died off. No one went there.

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Lainaus käyttäjältä Kakkuonhyvaa

There was a cyber café named Level 5, but It died off. No one went there.

In which city was that? I have only heard of Blackstorm lan-cafe in Helsinki, which doesn't exist anymore. Howeover, I believe that there was no much emphasis on gaming there, mainly catering. Nowadays they have transformed into Duza bar-cafe.